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Hello and welcome to episode 131 of Baseball Coaches Unplugged.
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I'm your host, ken Carpenter, and today's show takes us to Illinois, specifically Carmel Catholic High School head coach, scott Anderson.
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He spent the majority of his time at youth sessions at the ABCA Clinic in Washington DC recently and he'll share his takeaways on how to improve practice over tournaments, developing pitchers, and stay till the end to hear a story from his playing days in the Northwoods League and an upset bus driver Before we get to the interview.
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Now let's get to my sit down with Carmel Catholic High School head coach, scott Anderson.
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Hello and welcome to Baseball Coaches Unplugged.
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I'm your host, coach Ken Carpenter.
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Joining me today is Scott Anderson, head baseball coach at Carmel Catholic High School in Illinois.
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Coach, thanks for taking time to be on Baseball Coaches Unplugged.
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Definitely I'm excited to be here.
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It's my first podcast, so I'm a podcast rookie.
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Okay, good, Well, we'll have some fun here then.
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Well, prior to recording, we were talking a little bit and you flew back in and got away from all the snow there in DC, but you didn't get hit with very much there in the Chicago area, I guess.
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No, the band is just south of us.
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We just got a dusting of snow right now.
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I feel like this winter we we just got a dusting of snow right now.
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I feel like this winter we haven't got a whole bunch.
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I think in December.
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I think we could have practiced.
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Well, you know it's Monday and the ABCA is finished up down there in DC, and you had a chance both to be there as a coach and also as an exhibitor.
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What was your biggest takeaway?
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You know, I I I didn't get to go as many sessions as I want, so I had to be really strategic and I'm a pitching guy, so I went to a lot of the pitching stuff and then I went to a lot of the youth.
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The youth hot stove was probably the biggest takeaway, from the tech side to the facility side and just a lot of the discussion about how we need to change youth baseball and that's kind of been something central to my belief system as a high school coach.
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Those young kids in your community, they're the ones that are going to come play for you and they want to play for you.
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We run a youth camp in the summer.
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Play for you, and you know, and they want to play for you.
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We run a youth camp in the summer and, um, there was a lot of things that resonated with me and and how we need to change the game and I think our development system in the united states is a little broken.
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So that's what I really walked away with.
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Yeah, so I I picked up on that um on x where you had put out a post and kind of talked a little bit about that and you know how you spent a great deal of your time with the youth sessions.
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I got a two-part question to start off with ABCA how do we get travel parents to not focus on playing in so many tournaments and develop more with, you know, getting more practice time in with them?
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And the second part of that is how do we find more time for high school coaches to find time to educate these youth coaches when you as a high school coach know this, you're spread thin as it is and you're definitely not getting paid that much.
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Yeah, it's kind of a love affair for me because I do coach a 13-year-old team.
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I'm lucky enough to have a former divisional player that when I'm coaching high school in a season a nice start in the end of April he kind of takes over until I can come back.
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And I'm also a facility pitching coach and so I do that and then I coach high school.
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So the time is tough.
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I always encourage high school coaches if you get a chance to get in a facility and because I know there's kind of this disconnect right, there's high school coaches that blame facilities and facilities blame high school coaches.
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And I was talking to a facility owner about a month ago and he was saying man, you know, we got this disconnect with this certain coach.
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And I was like you've got to just sit down and have an honest conversation and everybody's got to get on the same page.
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And I think to me that was one of the reasons why I went into the facility and wanted to get more involved was, first of all, there's always potential Cardinal players there, but also my kids were there and I came in and I was hired as an instructor for pitching but also as a head coach of a 13-year team and I think that was the biggest learning experience for me.
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I had been involved in high school baseball right out of college and I kind of got away from baseball, became a high school administrator and then decided that I want to go back in the classroom and now I'm working for a tech company with baseball software.
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But I just wanted to be back involved in the game and I coached but guess what?
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That was probably harder than coaching high school and the demands of the parents and I think the culture.
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It spent a lot of time educating parents on what was appropriate and not because I think we almost professionalize youth sports, which I think is really unfortunate because and there's a lot of money involved and parents just don't understand what's really appropriate health-wise for your player too.
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I think workload management has been a big issue with pitching and so I was lucky enough to eventually take over my kids' team and that's how I kind of had it in and I've had an amazing group of parents and I think the buy-in I hate to say buy-in because not everybody's bought in, but can I create a coalition of the willing and I have a really great coalition of parents and that group has been there together for three years We've been really developmentally focused and we really have to have honest conversations with parents and lean into having difficult conversations, and I think that's hard as an adult is to lean in and have difficult conversations.
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Yes, I agree and you know it's.
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I think you hit.
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The key to travel baseball is if you can put a team together and have them stick together not jump from team to team to team and have a good parent group.
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That's more than half the battle, I think.
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Well, I also feel like I've always kind of worked against the traditional um, I'm very tech heavy, I'm kind of like I it's funny because one of my parents said you know, you're very old school but you're also very new school, you're kind of this combo of both.
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But, um, I came into that facility and I was like, listen, we got all these coaches and I got most of our parents, which is great.
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We need parent coaches.
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You know, I sat down with the facility owner and I said, listen, we just don't have any training for the coaches and we need mentorship.
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There's a lot of parents that are really well-intentioned and they're working another job.
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They have a hard time with practice planning.
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They even have a hard time figuring out what do I do for schedule, what level should I play, what's kind of the plan for my team down the road, right, and I've tried to mentor a lot of coaches.
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And you know it's funny because this morning I get back from ABC and the 14 new coaches call me right away and I always want to be open to everybody.
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I have the 10 new coach calls me constantly, constantly and what do you want to do?
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And I let them use all our stuff and I set up plans for their practices and help them do that.
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And I think that's the piece as a high school coach is being that mentor to those parent coaches.
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You, when you I would think about it like if I had to coach basketball.
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I have no clue what I'd be doing.
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You know, and I I was lucky enough to play division one baseball and play the jayhawk league in the northwoods league.
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I got a lot of experience.
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I got to learn from a lot of great coaches and a lot of those parent coaches.
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Maybe they played in high school, maybe a little bit in high school, and I was about it and it's it's.
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It's a lot to chew on.
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I remember getting back into coach.
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I coached, uh, my kids t-ball team and I was like I don't know how to coach t-ball.
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So I think it could be daunting and it is making sure parents are on board.
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But also I feel like there's facilities and travel organizations.
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You need to mentor the coaches, provide those type of structures for everybody.
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Well, you, you know you're, you talked about the parents and you know I I saw something today where I read it, where they, a team, was playing in a tournament in December and I don't know, I mean, I sit there and just go.
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Oh, my, my God, but what are your thoughts when you hear someone's taking a 10U team and playing in December?
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Yeah, I look at it from the youth side, even the high school side, like what are we doing, you know, and where do kids get to learn the game and get to practice without?
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I think the game has got enough pressure as it is.
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So what are we doing?
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Only playing games.
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And always, like, everything is pressure filled in a game and kids feel that that's the test, right, we never provide the lessons and teach them to play the game and practice and train, right, and you're taking 10 new kids and and I, like I said, you're traveling around the country and playing all these games, what do you get out of it?
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Because what I think I see is those kids, when they get to high school, they're burnt out.
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Right, we burn kids out and I think we there's a statistic out there that most kids quit sports.
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It's like 70% by the 13, 13, 13,.
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You, we see kids just falling, and so you're starting on these young teams and kids should just be like figuring out how to throw and just learning how to move, and you're just everything is high pressure and I just I don't agree with it.
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I think we, we got to let kids be kids too, and families.
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Yeah, more, that's even more important, think.
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But you know, I I was speaking with a, a guy I know that coaches a young kid and he started telling me about players that were ranked and they're like fifth or sixth grade.
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I'm like, first off, who's ranking these people, and you know.
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And then I went down the rabbit hole and I thought I'm going to look at basketball and they were listing the top third graders in the state, this one site, and I'm just like, well, seriously, you know what I mean.
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I mean, I guess if you can make money off of it, go ahead, I guess.
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But I just was stunned that there are player rankings for such young age.
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Yeah, and there's team rankings, right.
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And so I took this team.
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That was really not very good.
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And now they ranked us third in the state.
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I don't know how they did it, you know, and I didn't recruit any kids.
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But when the rankings come back and some parents are like, you know, you're ranked third in the state, I'm like, well, how do we do that?
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And then we just add a layer of pressure to everything.
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Right, it's just.
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I told the kids cause I know the kids are going to see it and I said you know rankings.
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I don't know how they do it, we don't mean to worry about it, but I said it does tell us that we're doing what's right.
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And I sat down.
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And I sat, I even talked to my parents.
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I'm like, look at this, we only play 50 games and all these teams are listed.
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Let's go look at how many games they play.
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And we're doing it right playing last games and developing.
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We had kids that we ended up.
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We created a system when I went in and it was just individual coaches in the facility.
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When I took over, I teamed up with the other team at our age group and said let's do everything together, let's train the same.
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Let's do everything the same.
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Let's just create a 11U group and those kids don't look at A and B.
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I had some kids that went down to the other team last year and the parents stayed in the program because they understand the development is important, right, and we had some kids struggle at the level we played in and we had a really honest conversation like, hey, physically you might just not be ready for this, I think you will be down the road, but I want to keep you in because I trust that you're going to just get better anyway.
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You're just physically as mature as some of the other kids and our parents didn't leave and they always said like I'm going to stick with you, coach, because you know what you're doing and I'm seeing the improvement out of my kid and I know you struggled this year but I trust the process and I think that's the greatest thing If you're not having a bunch of parents leave.
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You know you're doing, you know you're doing a good job and you're not also sucking in a bunch of kids and cutting kids and stuff like that.
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Right.
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Well, let's move a little bit towards the high school and the things Now.
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What is your approach to you know, maintaining the standards that you set and developing your team culture.
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So that's tough.
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Last year was my first year I actually took over.
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I think it's always hard to follow.
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I followed a Hall of Fame coach, coach Gandolfi, who was a great mentor.
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I text Coach after every game.
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He's on our game changer and I still ask for him advice.
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He came back as kind of a bridge to Carmel and I've taken over.
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We didn't have a whole lot in terms of facilities and stuff.
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I've raised a bunch of money, new scoreboard, we did the field.
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I mean bought so much different equipment and it was great.
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My parents were really excited to support the program and now it's trying to raise the expectation.
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You know, the biggest thing was kids just didn't go to the weight room.
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And we go to the weight room now and it's an expectation and they come to open gyms and they hold each other accountable and we talk about that right, we play in the toughest conference in the state of Illinois.
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We had a nationally ranked team that had, I think everybody in their starting lineup was a Division I commit.
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I mean this year they have a kid that's a second-ranked catcher in the nation.
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Kid's going to LSU, their second baseman's going to Tennessee and we have that kind of grind in our nation, kids going to LSU, the second baseman's going to Tennessee and we have that kind of grind in our schedule we had last year.
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We faced the kids that were 94 from Tennessee and I had we finished middle of the pack and it was funny because they said when I took the job what would be good?
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And I said if we can be 500 in this conference, we're going to be a really good baseball program.
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And we were almost.
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We had one game and with one game we would have been 500 and the athletic director said we couldn't do it.
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I don't think he really thought we would.
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We would go in and do it right away.
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I only had two small school commits but we have a side throwing strikes, being aggressive, um, and just having a little bit of confidence in ourselves.
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You know I use a lot of Alan Jaeger's mental.
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We even use Tread.
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I reached out to Tread and I had their mental game stuff and I said can I use it with my team?
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I have the login and they said just get the login out and let the guys do it and we would work through it and talk about that mental game.
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And I thought that was the biggest block, that a lot of our guys had was just confidence and just going out and playing and not overthinking it.
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And I'm a little bit different as a coach and it took a while for them to get used to that.
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I said you know what?
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I don't give a steel sign.
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If you got it, you take it, and we do vaulted leads and we try to set up pitchers, and it was just a different system.
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But all of a sudden they took more ownership and I'm a catcher, I don't call pitches that much and my pitchers can shake off and my catcher can take control of the game and I'm so proud of that kid.
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He's one of the smartest catchers I've ever worked with, including playing in college.
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And my kids started to take ownership of the team and it wasn't me and I say that like, we have a pick system that sometimes comes from me, but they can run picks themselves.
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Infielders can call them, the catchers can call them and we have our own system.
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But the kids take ownership and I think when they started to take ownership on the field too, they take ownership off the field yeah, that's the key, and I I really like when you can get a team to just hold everybody accountable and then you know that you're doing things the right way.
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Yeah, and it takes time.
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Yeah, it just does.
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And you know we had some kids that were happy about playing time and stuff.
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And the one thing that we did when I came in is we had grade rep meetings and so I had representatives from the freshman team and the JV team and the varsity and every Friday we got together, had pizza and we talked about what was going good in the program and what they wanted to see that changed and that was kind of our culture meetings and we made sure all our coaches are there and I said this is the time to have difficult conversations and if you don't like what's going on, we can have those conversations and try to change it, because this is your program in the end.
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You know my name's attached to it, but it is.
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We need to be player centric and we need to be kid-centric of everything we do.
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Well, if you, you know you talked about how you, you know you were a pitcher and you like working with the pitchers If you had full control of your pitchers for an entire year, with no other pitching coaches on the side, the parents weren't going to step in.
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Take me through how much you think they should throw throughout the four seasons.
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Yeah, I'm not a big, huge like total shutdown guy.
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But I'm also not saying that we should rip and run all year.
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I'm big on like on-ramping guys.
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But I just tell guys, the longer you take off, the longer it takes to really get your arm in shape.
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And we see even in the major league studies right, that they label fatigue as a big issue.
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And also I was lucky enough to to take a course last year with uh casey mahala with kinetic pro, and they had forgot um the guy's name, but he was one of the lead scientists of the cubs and he said we, what we see with players in the major leagues and why we see injuries happen in spring training is most guys aren't ready.
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But then also we're too concerned at the minor league level of overthrowing guys.
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So there's, I'm not throwing enough or I'm throwing too much.
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But we have to kind of meet like where are we going to get guys ready?
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I always advise my pitchers this If you don't, I don't like fall ball.
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I hate fall ball.
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I think it's stupid.
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I always say that you've played summer and spring.
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Stupid, I always say that you've played summer and spring.
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If you're going to lift heavy and hard, go from August, september, even half of October, and just lift and do some light throwing in between to keep your arm in shape a couple times a week.
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But that's a time to get stronger.
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And I always tell guys, like, listen, if you want to gain velocity, there's no secret sauce.
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You can throwows, you can rip and run, you can do all these things that you see, but that's not what's going to get you most likely to throw harder.
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It's to get stronger, and so I I would really want to like, set up a really hot like.
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That's the time to gain a lot of strength and then mid-october start to just on-ramp guys we don't get on the mound do a lot of indoor long toss because or outdoor long toss.
00:22:12.933 --> 00:22:30.771
Start to do some good straight lead training and getting them and that's what I do at our facility is like I take video, we do a physical assessment on kids and we kind of set up the program for them and we spend all the way to the end of December just on ramping them and throwing and we monitor.
00:22:30.771 --> 00:22:36.913
I've used pulse sensors but we use armcarecom now test the range of motion Every time they come in.
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We're testing the range of motion strength, making sure they're also healthy, so that they progress in the program.
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Or we got to, we got to tailor them back and then by January we start to introduce you to the mound and gradually just like start doing pitch design and getting in.
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I think a lot of facilities just really concentrate on velocity and then the kids don't have that time to to to apply like applicate it to the mound, like I do velocity training, but it's a short phase, we're done with it, and then we gotta start applying to the mound and I think that's where we lose out of.
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Some of those facilities is like, yeah, you throw hard but you get a strike.
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So I'm not a huge shutdown, but at least like spend some time throwing in the fall a little bit, get stronger, and then we kind of on-ramp you, because in Illinois we start first week in March is tryouts, so be ready, and then we can gradually build your bullpens up to about 60 pitches and go on 60 pitches and go on in this season.
00:23:41.352 --> 00:23:53.077
Well, with college baseball recruiting becoming extremely tough for high school players, what is your plan as far as telling your players and parents what to expect?
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Because right now it almost seems like if you're not a legit D1 guy, you probably should be looking at D3 or Juco, something like that.
00:24:07.711 --> 00:24:11.801
Yeah, it's insane how the landscape keeps changing.
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Just even what a couple weeks ago?
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The junior college.
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I think that's all up in the air, right, kids now get an extra year.
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I also think it would be insane for coaches, um, to take a high school kid unless you're really, really, really good and you know they're going to be able to walk in because you they've already caught the rosters too to 34.
00:24:34.616 --> 00:24:37.790
So I think junior college baseball is going to take off.
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You're going to see.
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I think it's already good.
00:24:41.459 --> 00:24:47.355
I played junior college baseball because my path to baseball was really unconventional.
00:24:47.355 --> 00:24:49.977
I grew up in western North Dakota.
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I didn't have a high school team.
00:24:50.920 --> 00:24:55.119
In high school I was being recruited as a track athlete.
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I was a 6'8 high jumper.
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I was a long jumper, all-state long jump, triple jump, and I went to a baseball camp because I could play at American Legion with the University of Minnesota and they were like you don't know what you're doing, but you've got a good arm, you've got a lot of talent and I got kind of funneled into junior college and had the chance to go to Minnesota.
00:25:12.715 --> 00:25:16.179
But the head coach the pitching coach became the head coach at University of Illinois, chicago.
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I followed him and I tell kids, like you're going to develop your own time, but pick the school that you know, you trust the coach, you know the program and it's not about the level.
00:25:28.596 --> 00:25:43.779
We're seeing kids that aren't highly recruited and by the time they're junior especially if I'm talking about pitching they're throwing 92, 93, and they just got bigger and stronger and I was like somebody's going to notice you there.
00:25:43.779 --> 00:25:46.474
And it doesn't always have to be a division one school.
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I think college baseball is that good.
00:25:48.944 --> 00:25:51.013
If you can play college baseball, you're good.
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That's why I keep telling and I tell the parents that like you're good if you can play college baseball right now well, you've mentioned that you were also an exhibitor at the abca, and make sure I'm saying this right.
00:26:04.990 --> 00:26:08.317
You, you set up a thing called locker room central.
00:26:08.317 --> 00:26:10.903
Is that correct?
00:26:12.391 --> 00:26:16.662
So yeah, so I was teaching, I was yep, so I kind of helped.
00:26:16.662 --> 00:26:19.557
We have a, we have a guy that is a heavy investor.
00:26:19.858 --> 00:26:23.175
He's also in in like equity.
00:26:23.175 --> 00:26:32.375
He, his kid, plays baseball and I think all year last year I would talk about man we have this huge disconnect between high school and travel right and what's going on.
00:26:32.375 --> 00:26:40.583
I don't know when my kids are lifting or what, and I tell my guys like I need some accountability, but I also need to like know if my pitchers are ready.
00:26:40.583 --> 00:26:59.170
And we kind of just brainstormed and he created this app and I kind of gave a lot of input and then I would test it out and I was teaching a special education teacher in a special education school and I've always worked with kids with emotional disabilities.
00:26:59.170 --> 00:27:07.055
I actually taught in the cook County jail for 11 years and that was always kind of my field.
00:27:07.055 --> 00:27:11.659
And he said listen, I want to start this company, let's get it going.
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