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Hello and welcome to Baseball Coaches Unplugged.
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I'm your host, ken Carpenter.
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Joining me today is Darren Ware, pitching coach for Walsh University here in Ohio.
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Coach, thanks for taking time to be on Baseball Coaches Unplugged.
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Well, hey, thank you very much.
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Glad to be here.
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I appreciate what you do.
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Like I said, I love hearing voices of other coaches talking with you and I'm learning stuff from them, and I hope they can learn some stuff from me.
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So thank you for letting me on, and I love to talk baseball.
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Well, I've got to start off with what's it like being the pitching coach at Walsh for legendary head coach Tim Meade.
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Well, ken, you know, to me it's almost it comes full circle for me.
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I graduated from Walsh University, I played for Coach Meade and, you know, after I left Walsh I became a teacher and I was a teacher for 25 years.
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So I taught middle school science.
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I loved it, loved the school where I was at, and coach reached out to me about three years ago and asked if I wanted to come aboard to be a pitching coach.
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And you know, one of the things that he said was you know, you still can be a teacher, come in after your.
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You know, after your day's over, you can work with the pitchers and so on.
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One of the things that was kind of bothering me with that was when the guys went on the road or when they went on spring break and stuff like that.
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I wouldn't have been able to be there.
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So it's almost like coaching them and then just saying, okay, tell me how it goes when you get back.
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So I sat down with the family and we had a great talk with my wife and two kids and they all said, hey, go do this.
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This is what you've always wanted to do.
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We're going to be fine.
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Go do what you do, follow your dreams.
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And when I told coach I'm on board, but I want to be there full time, he welcomed me with open arms.
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It was an awesome thing and it's one of those things where I learned a lot from him when I was younger.
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I'm still learning some things from now, you know, as far as coaching and on the business side of college baseball and the coaching part of it.
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But I get to work alongside him every single day and I'm excited to get up in the morning and coach these guys and put them in the right direction and stuff like that, and I think that we put a great product out on the field every year and he's continued to do that.
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Coach Meade's got over 900 plus wins.
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He's been coaching for 42 plus years.
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Just a great, just a great man and a great leader and somebody I look up to very much.
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Well, I love talking about competition and getting players to compete to be the best they can be, and you know, I can recall when I coached, you know, at the end of practice I'd split the teams up into two teams or let them pick and I'd say, hey, it's, you know, you get one pitch and whoever loses they, they get a.
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They have to clean up the equipment for the day, or whatever it may be, you being a pitching coach, do you do anything to make the bullpens competitive?
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Absolutely.
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You know it's funny that you say that we do a lot of stuff as far as competitive stuff, whether it be in the bullpen playing catch stuff like that.
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Far as competitive stuff, whether it be in the bullpen playing catch stuff like that.
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In the fall, when we're doing our bullpens and getting ready for live and getting ready for inter-squat scrimmages, sometimes during the week we'll have many competitive bullpens where we'll have 16 pitchers and we'll have two lines of eight and the first two guys up they'll throw a 15-pitch set bullpen.
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But it'll be scripted.
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So it'll be like you know, fastball glove side, and they both got to execute that pitch.
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If one does, they get a point, if one doesn't, they don't get any points.
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And you know those.
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Those two will face off against each other and not only do they have to execute the pitch but they also have to listen to their teammates behind them and just rip on them as far as talking to them, clapping their hands, saying stuff.
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You kind of learn a lot about the team and about some of the guys from the things that each other are saying.
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So it's competitive and they try to zone out that.
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They try to clear the mechanism.
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Clear the mechanism as a Billy Chapel would say in the, for the Love of the Game, you know.
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So they clear that mind and they just work on the execution of pitch.
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So not only do we execute the pitch, but we might say, oh wait, this has to be a fastball arm side in.
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You know 1.3 seconds, so we also execute.
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How quick can we get it to the plate?
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You know how good is your slide step, and this is good for upperclassmen, it's good for the younger guys who might have been able to in high school get away with a 1.4, 1.5, but here you got a 1.5 to the plate.
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You're giving somebody a free base.
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So we work on all kinds of things execution of pitch, pitch control, hitting spots, getting the ball to the plate.
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So we always do that.
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And then again, when we play our our catch at 30, 45, 60, 90 feet, when we start coming in now, all of a sudden we do play a game of catch at 60 feet where it's competitive.
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One day I might have them standing up from the waist to the shoulders inside the body.
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They got to be.
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The next week we did.
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The guys were sitting down in a chair and they were putting their gloves out.
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And it had to be from, like, the shoulders to the kneecaps, and so they had to get those.
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And now now we're we're getting closer now.
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So this this past week we did actually where their partners were sitting down on the floor crisscross applesauce, you know and sitting down and now they're, you know, focusing on that, and I don't want them to think, man, I hope I don't skip it off the floor to these guys, or I don't want to catch your thinking.
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I don't want these guys to skip it off the floor, I just want them to concentrate, throw strikes and believe in themselves, you know, and be confident with everything that they throw.
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Makes sense and I love that for pitchers and that's something that every coach that's listening to this, could you know, install with their program right away if they're not already doing it.
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Well, what would you recommend to high school pitchers?
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That they show up on campus their freshman year.
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That will put them in a position to be able to compete and make a big contribution to the team early.
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You know one of the things and it's a good question, because one of the things when what we see a lot is when high school freshmen or high school seniors become freshmen in college you know they'll come in and they'll be so reliant on their fastball slider, fastball curve.
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They don't throw a lot of change-ups in high school.
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So one of the things that I try to tell them is you know, work on that third pitch.
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You know you need to have a third pitch At this level.
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Hitters can pick up spin, hitters can hit speed and you know if we can execute a change up that looks like a fastball but it's coming out of hand slower, we have a great you know great opportunity and if you can get that and manage that pitch and be able to throw it at any count, you're going to be able to come in early and be effective for us.
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So we have a lot of guys.
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When we come in the first two weeks when we start going live, all our pitchers can throw our fastball change-ups.
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And then you hear a coach.
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You know I don't really, I don't really have a good one, but as long as it's something different and you know so, the first two weeks we'll go fastball change-up.
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The hitters know what's coming.
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But we're guys were getting so many rollovers and so many fly balls and ground balls with this that, as you, we progress throughout the fall.
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We started seeing these pitchers now who couldn't throw change-ups, throwing their change-ups on 2-0, 3-0 counts, felt so much confident with that, you know.
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And and now they have that third pitch and they they're, they're getting better with it.
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So we're always playing catch with fastball change-up every day.
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We're spinning it as well, but we want to concentrate on those two pitches the most.
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So when they come in, that's kind of what we say Make sure you have a third pitch, that you're confident with.
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A freshman this past summer called me and he said, coach, what do I need to do to be ready?
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And sometimes you don't get that phone call.
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Some of those seniors they think, hey, I was the real deal on my high school team, I know what to expect.
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But we have some guys who are really concerned.
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They come in, they call and they say, coach, what do I need to be ready?
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And I tell them two things.
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One, make sure that after your summer season is over, you continue to throw, don't just shut down in the middle of July and then come day one for your fall baseball season and not be ready to compete, because this is where you're trying to win a job.
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So keep your arm moving.
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It doesn't have to be two, three bullpens a week, but throw a bullpen a week, play some long toss, play some catch.
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And then the second thing is I said, come in ready to take somebody's job.
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You need to come in and you need to push.
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So we have a get-chase-be-chase mentality at Walsh University.
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So you're either getting chased or you're being chased.
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And I think if both of those things are happening, ken, I think that everybody's going to get up and everybody's going to want to compete and everybody's going to get better.
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Well, you've had two sons that have pitched in college and I wonder about this quite a bit Are pitchers throwing too much before they get to campus?
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Meaning they probably have a pitching coach that they work with in November, going into their senior year, then they pitch their whole spring season straight into travel baseball and then now they're, you know, in August, september, showing up on a college campus and I don't know.
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There's got to only be so many bullets that you're able to shoot.
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You know Right, are they too tired, I guess?
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You know that's a good question.
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You know we've had some guys coming out of high school that when they get to us in the fall they've already they've thrown, believe this or not.
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Some of them have thrown 80 to 90 to sometimes even 100 innings in high school baseball.
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Then they go play summer.
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They probably throw, you know, I don't know how many more.
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And then, yeah, you're right, they come to us and it's like now, especially freshmen, they're not used to playing fall ball, you know.
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And now they're coming in and we're throwing every day again.
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And so you know, I do.
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I think that some guys are playing catch more and sometimes they're not guided the right way, whether it be by themselves or just don't know how to do things.
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But I think if you get with somebody that knows what's going on, how to kind of take those, like you say, bullets and bring them in a little bit and understand that, hey, listen, we got to make sure that you know you're good to go, you're going to be at school, the school that you picked and the school that you chose, and you're going to be ready to go for them 100%.
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But you know, we start talking about that Like when we have guys that come into Walsh.
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We'll look at their high school season, we'll look at their summer season and then sometimes we have them have a short fall, like we had some guys you know they pitched all spring for us.
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They went away in the summer.
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They some of them went to the Northwoods league and they had great summers.
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They came back in the fall and we just said, hey, listen, you're going to continue to go up into this state and then you're done.
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And so we really look at that, we really kind of study that.
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I think that's an important thing.
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We try to take arm care super serious.
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So we're always doing what we call ACE arm care exercises.
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So we're always trying to do all that stuff and we're trying to kind of get them stronger so that as they get to sophomore, junior, senior year, they continue that buildup and their workload might get a little bit more and more, because you might come in as a freshman or sophomore and be a be a relief guy and then all of a sudden, junior, senior year, now, all of a sudden you're, you know you might be one of the you know, weekend starters.
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So we got to make sure that you're you're healthy.
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So you know, on the one end yeah, I do think that some guys throw quite a bit.
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But then, on the other end, I think, man, if you get with this, with the person that understands what's going on and what your goals are, and a lot of the summer coaches, they'll reach out to me and they'll just say, hey, listen, is it okay if we do this?
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Is it okay if we start him here?
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Or they'll ask me how many innings do you want him to pitch this summer?
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And I'm telling you, they do a great job of putting those plans together and, man, when you say an inning limit, that's it.
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And so it opens up a good thing, a good communication.
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These summer coaches want to win, but they also understand that these guys are going back to a school where they're getting money, they're getting an education, they're getting all that stuff.
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So it's important to them as well.
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So, as long as you have a plan, and instead of just throwing, throwing and not have a plan and all of a sudden doing this and doing that, because you know how pitchers are, whether you're coming off an injury or not, if my arm's feeling good, I want to throw more, and sometimes you just got to follow that plan and say this is my last throw and then let it be your last throw, kind of thing.
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So I'm always there when we have guys coming back from injury, I'm always.
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You know what's your plan?
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Let me see your plan.
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Okay, you're throwing 50 pitches or 50 feet for this many throws and I'm there counting.
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Man, I got the clicker, I'm just making sure.
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Okay, that's it, you're done.
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So we're really on top of that stuff here.
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Coach Pugh down in Georgia.
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He's a high school coach but he also coaches an elite travel team and the thing that kind of caught me by surprise is he's like we only play five, maybe six tournaments in the summer and no pitcher throws over 80 pitches, and I think he had a great understanding of what it takes to help these guys when they show up on a college campus.
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And arm care is so critical now with the way Tommy John surgeries are just wiping guys out.
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Oh for sure.
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A long time ago these tournaments used to be Friday, saturday, sunday, mostly Saturday Sunday.
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Now, all of a sudden, these tournaments are starting on Wednesday morning and they're going through.
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You're starting a guy on Wednesday, you're bringing them back maybe on Friday or Saturday and the pitch limits are going up.
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Travel teams that my sons played for, that it was like it's awesome because they said hey, listen, we're like you said, we're going to play five tournaments, we're going to get the best teams in the country together and we're going to go to Georgia and we're going to play just like a round robin.
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We're not playing for a trophy, we're not playing for anything, we're just going to go play baseball against some of the best players in the country and we're just going to compete.
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You know and see what happens.
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And then you know you pitch that game and all of a sudden, the next couple days you're just relaxed and being a great teammate and I think that's the thing too.
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You know pitchers will come in and I know it's a lot of money that if you're a PO, you'll come in on the day you pitch or the day before you pitch.
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You'll stay, you pitch and you get.
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You know you are a PO, but let's say you pitch on Friday and your first game, your first game is like Wednesday or Thursday.
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We're going down Wednesday, thursday and we're going to stay till Sunday, cause I want you to know how it is to be a great teammate, help out any way you can to talk to somebody.
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You know, I just want you to be a part of team, not just a one day, you know guy.
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So, and again, if you're staying, you know, and after you pitch, it kind of helps you to get your work in.
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You know, do your arm care exercises, get your stretching in, get your running in, instead of just going home and then God knows what happens.
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You know if you're going to stretch, work out or if you're going to just wait for the next tournament.
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So we'd really try to kind of touch on that really much too.
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Well, when you're recruiting pitchers, what are some things that you look for?
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You're like, if this guy's going to show up and be a part of Walsh University, he's got to be able to do this.
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And on the opposite side of it, what are some things that you look at and go, he's off the list.
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I'm not going to look at that guy.
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Well, you know, I was doing a podcast a couple months ago and you know the size question came up.
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I mean, do you look for size?
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And if you look at our pitching staff this year, we are big, we have some tall pitchers, but we also have some guys that are small, that can also bring it.
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So it's like, yeah, you look at the size, you know.
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Do I want a 6'5 pitcher that throws low to mid 80s, that has a hard time throwing strikes, or do I want a 5'10 guy that has that attitude, that mentality, that instinct, that throws the ball mid to upper 80s but can control everything To?
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Doesn't matter.
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When we watch you, there's a couple things we're looking at.
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We're looking at first pitch strikes.
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Do you get a head and counts, um, your overall strike percentage?
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Do you throw lots of strikes?
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Can you avoid barrels?
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Do you do a good job of doing that?
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Are you a good teammate?
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Are you a good leader?
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Um, all these things come into play.
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Academic standards you know we want a guy who we can.
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You know our team GPA was a 3.3.
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We had over 50 percent on Dean's List.
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We had over 70 percent over a three point.
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So we get a lot of great guys and so we also look at that.
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Plus, I mean, we give great academic money.
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So if you're up on that 3, 5, 3-6, 3-7, 3-8 range, you're getting some great academic money that's going to help you out.
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So we look at that.
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But as the time goes on, you know we also look at, you know, the projection of what this person can bring.
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Is he a hard worker?
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So the first thing I do, before we have a checklist and bring these guys on campus, I'll have a checklist, I'll talk with their high school coach, I'll talk with their summer coach.
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Is he a good teammate, character, guy, family, I mean I think that's a big thing as well.
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So we'll talk about that and if they got those checks in a box, we'll get them on campus.
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There are some things that you know we look at and we don't like.
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Maybe attitude, Maybe their mom presence is not very good.
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I think mom presence is an important thing.
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How good are you doing when things are going good and how good are you?
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What's your mound presence like when things aren't going good?
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Your teammate makes an error Are you going to look at them, show them up, do all that stuff?
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Are you going to pat them on the butt, say let's go get them next time.
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So those are the things we're looking for and I think that's an important part.
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But things that kind of are turnoffs.
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Sometimes we'll look on their X page, We'll look on their social media and, you know, we see things that we're like wow, I don't know if this is a guy that is, you know he talks a lot or he says stuff and just not the kind of character that we're looking for here at Walsh University.
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But we get to see a lot of what we're looking for when we go see him.
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I get there early, I get there super early.
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My wife's like the game doesn't start till one.
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Why are you getting there at 11, 1130?
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I want to get there when the team pulls in.
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I know who I'm looking for and you always say you never know who's watching you, so I might be there watching somebody else.
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And all of a sudden I see this guy and I'm like, oh okay, what's his name?
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And now I'm starting to build like that.
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But I want to see when they get out of the car, do they carry their own bags?
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Do they go stretch?
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