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High school coaches.
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Imagine deciding to retire after an incredible career.
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You've done it all State title, hall of Fame inductions.
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Numerous players go on to play at the next level and, more importantly, become productive members of society.
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But, just like in the Godfather 3 movie, al Pacino's character, michael Corleone, is trying to retire from organized crime.
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He says just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in.
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Back on March 3rd 2021, scott Manahan joined me on the show and he talked about how he's enjoying retirement and having fun.
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He's enjoying retirement and having fun.
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Then he takes a phone call from a coach, an alum from Capital University.
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Now, three years later, scott's trying to build the program at Capital University.
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Sometimes you return to the game you love and what you do best, and that's coaching.
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In this episode, you'll discover why you should think long and hard about making the jump from high school to college coaching ranks, why good players struggle when they go to college, and great stories from fellow high school coaches.
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Next, on Baseball Coaches Unplugged.
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Now to my sit-down with head baseball coach at Capital University, scott Manahan.
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Hello and welcome to Baseball Coaches Unplugged.
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I'm your host, ken Carpenter, and joining me today is Scott Manahan, head baseball coach at Capital University.
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Coach, thanks for taking the time to be on here.
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Baseball Coaches Unplugged.
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No problem, ken, I love it.
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Well, I want to start off with.
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You know you go from Hall of Fame high school coaching career to retirement.
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And now you know you've been the head coach at Division III Capital University for a few years now and is it kind of like the Godfather, where you got pulled back in?
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Yeah, I'll tell you what.
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You do something long enough and you love to do what you do, and and then you leave it.
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And you know I left at the right time because I wasn't dealing with all the COVID stuff, so I figured that was a pretty good idea.
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It just happened that way.
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Of course I didn't plan it that way, but it was okay.
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And the first, the first year, you know, it was all dealing with all the COVID stuff.
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And then all of a sudden, you know, then the next year I'm going and watching games and I was there for two or three innings because it was just frustrating.
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And so you start to think to yourself I wonder if I could get into it again.
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And all of a sudden the old coach at Capital had resigned right in the middle of the season.
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And then Tom Marker who I blame a little on Tangy Orange, the guy that graduated from Capital, so he's an alum and he called me and said would you like to take the team for the rest of the year?
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I've already reached him up to the AD.
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So I worked with the people at Waterston and they thought it was good to do.
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And now I'm going into year four.
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What would be your message to high school players who want to play college baseball, since you've been on both ends of the spectrum now?
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Well, especially at the Division III spectrum, and I used to tell my guys this when I was at watterson and hamilton, wherever I was at.
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You know it's all about academics and your gpa, right wrong or whatever.
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You have to get academically set so you can go ahead and use that to get money off the tuition to go to division three university.
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So anybody that people that's going to look at you, your grades are going to be important, but in the Division III level grades equals money.
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So you know, I think the first thing I always talk about is if you have interest in playing at the next level, you better be ready, active and work Then after that that's your work ethic.
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And don't tell me you want to play if you don't want to work at it.
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There's so many guys now that want to play baseball but they don't know what work ethic is.
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They get to college and they play.
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For a guy like myself who's asking them to come in and do the things I'm asking them to do to get better shape physically, mentally, and it's a lot of time and they're not ready to do it.
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So you have to be academically set and you have to really make sure that you're working hard on your game weight room and all those kind of things.
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What would you recommend for a high school coach who's maybe considering making that jump to becoming a college coach?
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Think long and hard.
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Think long and hard, I mean it's a whole different thing.
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I always ask myself.
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I remember years ago asking George Powell at Otterbein what he made to do what he did.
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And he told me all the different things that he did to make extra money and all that kind of stuff.
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And I went home and talked to my wife about it and she said, no way, we can't afford to live on that.
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And I was on a Catholic school salary, so it wasn't like we were making a lot in the first place.
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So it became really out of my mind and then this whole thing is different.
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Now.
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I don't want to say they're overpaying me, but it's really going to be a good wage for what I have to do.
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Would you say that with Division III coaching, division III baseball, what is the time commitment?
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I guess comparing offseason to inseason.
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That's a great question.
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During the offseason again, we're talking about the 90 days of darkness.
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I have nothing to do in the summer when it comes to my players.
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They're gone.
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In reality I don't get to the Manahan tailgate of the house as much as I used to, because fall is busy.
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We're fundraising.
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We're going to go to Vero Beach again this year, jackie Robinson.
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So we're going to Cedar Point raising money at Cedar Point and I'm staying at a dorm real much.
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My guys go to work for three days and that takes away time.
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But September and October is really busy, really busy.
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And then November, december and most of January we're not allowed to do anything with the guys.
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And then, boy, when it starts in January, you know, february, march, april, everything's crazy.
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So it's as you know, in the summertime you're recruiting and you're doing the other things that you're doing, but that's really pretty much a weekend thing.
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But with high school I spent a lot more time Just because of all the six-man hitting stuff.
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You know the great thing that Urban Meyer built the illness batting cage.
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All of a sudden, that batting cage.
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All of a sudden that batting cage was there.
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Everybody wanted to use it.
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Now, guess what?
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I didn't have it in me to just give a code to anybody If we were going to do it.
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Somebody was going to be there for liability reasons.
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I was usually.
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It was a lot of time.
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I had less time to call than I did in high school.
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How has the transfer portal affected you as a D3 coach?
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Well, we lost a kid that went up to Division II last year, a kid from New Jersey.
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It's in Philadelphia is where he's going, so he made a jump up to Division II so we lost him.
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I haven't really done a whole lot of bringing guys in.
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I'm a real big believer of the high school guys coming in and graduating.
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We've had them for four years so I won't say I won't get involved with the transfer portal, but I really haven't too much right now.
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We've lost a couple guys over the last couple years now and it's a good move for them, so good for them.
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Not a problem with bringing in guys and helping them move up levels.
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You know you talked about the players, not really.
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Some of them haven't figured out the whole work ethic part.
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What would you tell their parents to kind of get them to kind of start talking that up with their son?
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I'm going to knock on.
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You can hear my knocking on wood.
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Okay, I'm going to knock on wood.
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I don't deal with parents.
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I'm not calling their parents.
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I'm not going to motivate their parents.
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To motivate them, I'm not calling them about the kids' grades.
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You know, in this world we live in, these young men, they want to be young men, but sometimes they want to be high school students and I'm not.
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You can't be both.
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You're in college now, so you're 19 years old, and if you have situations that we need to deal with, my door is always open.
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My assistant coach's door is always open, and I talk to the kids, not to the parents.
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Makes total sense.
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My wife's in the hiring business and she hears stories of parents trying to take part in interviews once they graduate college.
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It's a different world.
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It seems like I can see it.
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Yeah, it really is, and we have to deal with it.
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Division III baseball if you're here to play Division III baseball at Capital, it's real simple.
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It's number one.
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It's faith and family.
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Whatever everybody's faith is, that's fine, but family's got to be very important to all these kids, and I want to preach that.
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Number two is academics, because that's why you're here, and if you're here just to play baseball and your academics fails, you're not going to be here long.
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And then baseball is number three, because who's going to go out and play at the next level?
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We don't know, but not most of them.
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Yeah, so we really.
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I just really put the, I put it on the kids and I'm saying, calling them kids.
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I'm 61 years old, but they're not kids, they're young men, so you can't be both though.
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You can't be a high school kid, you can't be treated like a college guy.
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So we put it on them to take care of all that.
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What are some of the biggest challenges that incoming freshmen struggle with outside of the work, ethic and things that Time management is the number one thing that incoming freshmen deal with.
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They're away from mom and dad now, which 50% of their mom and dad have been on them for 18 years of their life over top of them.
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You know, making sure everything's getting done so they don't have the ability to be on their own and then how to manage their time.
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So most of the guys don't have a problem on the baseball field.
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Their time management is not bad.
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You know, when we have all this free time, they got to come over and work on their own and you'll get a couple of guys that aren't interested in doing that.
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That's why you have a big roster.
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If you don't want to do it, you don't want to put the time in, it'll show and then we make decisions off of that.
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So baseball the guys are really cool to get it, getting over here and getting their work in and they're in practice and they work hard and everything.
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But in that time in between you got to start playing video games and then get lost.
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All of a sudden it's 9, 20 o'clock at night and then you try to get ready for class the next day and it's tough.
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So we sit down with our freshmen right away and we get them a planner.
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I have an old OHSAA to-do list right on my desk that I use.
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We give all these guys a copy of this, make copies for them and use it, check it off and do all the things that you need to do.
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Some do a good job of it.
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And get wins.
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Is it harder than it looks?
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I can go down the list, I don't want to forget anybody.
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But Ryan Harrison at Baltimore can care less about my high school career.
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George Powell, everybody in our league they can care less about what I did as a high school coach.
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And what I'm saying is, when I came here I thought I was going to be able to turn things around right away.
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Those guys don't care, they're going to beat you, they're going to play the game.
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The way that they play.
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It's a great league.
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I've never seen anything like it.
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Of course the Catholic League was such a small little group that I co-founded for Waterston, but that was a great league.
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There just wasn't that many teams.
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But you look up and down the OAC, you know it is year in and year out, one of the best leagues and we've been kind of hanging on up there in the bottom trying to work those things up.
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And you know, last year we got our first big win.
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We went and we were able to beat Paul and Wallace who were number two in the country.
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So then the second game we played, we lost 4-1.
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So you can see a little bit of confidence building in our guys.
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And then we finished with a win against Canyon and a real tough doubleheader against Marietta that we lost both of them.
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But you just can see that we're getting a little bit better.
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So the kids came back with a little bit more confidence.
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This year we got a real good freshman class that we're excited about.
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So now, hopefully, we take another step.
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We won 10 games and the kids' goals are to win 20.
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So every time we start slacking in the weight room or anything, I will see guys over here getting our score.
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All I just said on group is number 2-0.
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You guys said you want to win 20 games.
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It's not going to be easy.
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Our schedule has changed.
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You know.
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We tried to play some teams early just to get wins and we weren't getting those wins.
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So it's like it's time to get better.
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And then let's go ahead and let's take our chances and play hard and see how we end up this year.
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So it's frustrating, but at the other time go ahead and let's take our chances and play hard and see how we end up this year.
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It's frustrating, but at the other time the pressure that I felt like I had all the time on Waterston was probably self-induced.
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If we didn't win the state of Waterston, it was a bad year.
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Now I'm just trying to take this group to another level and I've never been involved in anything like it.
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I have no ego.
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I have no ego.
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I have no ego, I have no.
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It's all gone.
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I'm starting over again and I've probably lost more games in the four years of capital than it took me 15 years of water, and that's tough, but get over yourself.
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But get over yourself.
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You get over yourself.
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It's not about me, it's about these guys.
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You know we're doing things in our field.
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Now that we're improving some things, I think we're doing some things the right way.
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So I didn't retire and get out of here.
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I can look back at it and say it's better than it was when I first started.
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Yes, and there's no doubt that that's going to be the case.
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That, yes, and there's no doubt that that's going to be the case, that's for sure you know.
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You mentioned earlier about summertime and, when it comes to recruiting, what do you think travel ball is getting right and where does it need to improve?
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That's a travel ball question, you know.
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I just go back to the day when it was the Worthington, it was 239 American League and you had the best players from Thomas, roentgen, watterson at the time and Kilbourne, you know, but it was like that all-star team of four or five guys that came together and they were pretty good and then everybody else played summer baseball.
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Remember we'd have summer baseball leagues.
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I had three teams in Waterston at one time in the summertime.
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And that wasn't good.
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So then the parents started to get away and that food started to fall down a little bit because of their own issues, and then it became travel ball.
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And then at the end of my Waterston career, the parents were asking me if we could get summer teams together because travel ball was going to be too much.
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And I just laughed at them and said no, I'm not doing that again.
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That was a lot of work to do that and these kids wouldn't commit if somebody picked them up to go somewhere.
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Then all of a sudden they were not coming to play for us at Waterston.
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So where's it at now, man, being in Columbus, I don't have to travel the state of Ohio because everybody somewhere comes into Columbus for one of these tournaments.
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So for me I'm not going to complain much about travel ball because it gives it an easy way for us to see these guys.
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I remember George Powell back in the day.
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He would be at everybody's summer games.
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I'd never seen a guy run along so much.
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He would show up and do all these different things.
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Now I can just go to one spot, my assistant can be in another spot, my other assistant can be in another spot and we're recruiting.
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So back to the travel ball question.
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The only thing that bothers me, the travel ball question, the only thing about travel ball anymore, is the overuse of the pitchers.
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We've got so many kids that come to us as incoming freshmen.
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We had one kid last year, 50 innings in the summer, 50 innings in the summer after pitching in the spring.
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So guess what His arms hurt.
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He's seeing our athletic player before we just got to school.
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