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He has a $6,000 budget.
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But he charges every kid $2,700 before uniforms and he has a $6,000 budget.
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So I'm like, wait what he goes.
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Yeah, the club brings in all the money and then gives you $6,000 to work with afterwards and I'm like, so where's all the money?
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And then gives you $6,000 to work with afterwards and I'm like, so where's all the money?
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Like what's the point?
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You're locked in to Athlete One, a podcast for athletes and coaches coming to you from Dublin, ohio, here to bring you expert advice, insightful conversations and powerful stories from guests who play or coach sports.
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Now veteran high school baseball coach and someone who has jumped out of perfectly good airplanes your host, ken Carpenter.
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Hello, hello, hello and welcome to Season 2 of the Athlete One Podcast.
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I'm Ken Carpenter and it's May, and high school teams are finishing up their baseball seasons and travel baseball is kicking into overdrive.
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What are the pros and cons of travel baseball?
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Today we address this and more with Hall of Fame high school baseball coach, mike Yanger, who has also been an athletic director and is currently an administrator at the high school level.
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He has two sons playing travel.
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This is the Athlete One Podcast.
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Hello and welcome to season two of the Athlete One Podcast.
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I'm your host, ken Carpenter, and I'm excited today to start off Season 2 with a good friend who's been a coach, an athletic director, and he's an administrator and right now is a travel baseball coach.
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Mike Yinger, thanks for taking the time to be on the podcast.
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Appreciate you having me here.
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I think it's kind of funny that we're back together again After all these years.
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We used to coach against each other and then we got to coach with each other, and now we're back talking more baseball.
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So I'm happy to be here.
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Well it's roughly about nine o'clock at night and you know you're getting home from a travel game for your son and this is after you put in a full day of work as a high school administrator.
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You're sitting down with me to talk travel baseball, I imagine you know.
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Have you had a chance to have dinner yet?
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Uh, you know, know, it's funny.
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We got uh chick-fil-a if that can be a sponsor um on the way home and we grabbed it and we had a quick meal and we're sitting down to eat.
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My oldest son, who I didn't have a game for, is downstairs and I can hear him uh throwing ground balls against the cement ground right now of the wall, and then my youngest one is in playing switch mlb the show.
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So I'm not quite sure if this ever ends.
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Well, you know, talk about your sons.
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You know what age group are they in right now, positions they play and do they participate in more than one sport?
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Yeah, so one of the things my wife and I talked about so she was a Division I athlete as well.
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She played at Dayton.
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We talked about making sure our kids had the opportunity to play multiple sports.
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During the course of that we found out our older son really enjoys to play baseball.
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So he's kind of focused in on baseball and he likes basketball.
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But you know we're not pushing him any way right now.
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Like I said, he's downstairs right now taking ground balls on his own against the cement wall.
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So you know, I think it helps that we talk baseball so much, and you know there's little things that we do, but just the fact that we're more sport oriented and we don't look at doing one thing only has really helped.
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So they're one's in middle school and the other one is how old he's 10.
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Okay, so he's playing middle school.
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And the other one is how old?
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He's 10.
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Okay, so he's playing 10U.
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Now here's what I can tell you about the question of when should they play or where they should play.
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What I found was my older son left, after 10U, the local community team.
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It was a travel team, it was small, and he started playing on a little bit higher level, like they got more kids from different places Played more tournaments.
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But we found out that at 10U, 11u, 12u, even 13U.
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Now he's playing at a higher level Again, the fields aren't there and and the opportunity to indoor hitting or whatever off-season workouts really aren't there at that age group, unless you're willing to spend, you know, three thousand dollars, right, um?
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And to be honest with you, even at 13 you I'm not quite sure if you need to do that, because if a kid wants to play, he's going to find opportunities to play.
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But again, you got two parents that were really involved in athletics and sports and mainly you know baseball and softball.
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So we kind of have a different mindset of what we talk about on a daily basis and I think that makes a big difference.
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Well, for the listeners.
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Mike played college baseball at Ohio Dominican University.
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He's a Hall of Fame baseball coach in Ohio.
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And what has been your approach to developing your sons at a young age?
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Well, I will tell you, a lot of it has to do with learning the game.
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You know we talk about it all the time.
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My son is getting older.
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He's 13 now, he's in puberty, he's getting bigger, he's getting stronger and he's having a lot of success.
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And I can tell you my 10-year-old will be the same way.
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But they both learned the game, and from 8U to 11U, it was just about learning the game.
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It wasn't about playing against the best competition.
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It wasn't about winning necessarily.
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It was about learning how to be the best player you can be.
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So when it does hit, you're ready.
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And I think you know with my older son, major, he seems to be at that point where he's seeing some success because of all the stuff he's put into it.
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You know understanding the game and playing the game the right way.
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It's starting to pay off and we'll see how it goes.
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You know, like you said, he's only 13 and you know that jump from 13 to 16 to 18.
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You know strength and ability wise is huge but it's almost like that you kind of prepare yourself for the next step, so when the next step comes you're ready.
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Makes sense.
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Well, you've coached high school baseball and you've been very successful at that, and we had an opportunity to coach a, I believe, 17 and 18-year travel team.
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What would you tell parents who are signing their kid up for travel that are in that 13 and under age bracket?
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You know, one of the things is you have to remember when you're playing 11 or 12 of you and down and it's the 50 foot um pitching mound, 75 foot bases.
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You know, I, I tell people all the time this is huge, this is a huge comment.
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I always say I don't think people understand until they start getting older, to it's it's 80 foot bases, 90 foot bases, but you know you'll have kids that can play shortstop and then when you get to 90 foot bases, you have short stops and it's hard to understand that you might be able to play third base but you're probably not a third baseman.
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And you start developing that mindset and understanding the older you get.
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You know, I always tell people it's like fast pitch softball, it's that you know the smaller, smaller distances.
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Anybody can field a ball and throw it across a diamond.
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But, like when you start understanding how to hold runners on, you know, knowing what to do with balls that are in the outfield, where to tell people to go.
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It's the little things.
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It's like I said you prepare your your players for that.
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So when they're getting older and they mature they can be better off.
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So my suggestion is find someone that knows what they're doing in the community.
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Have them be on a community team.
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Learn the game.
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You know, whether you play basketball, soccer, football, whatever.
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Learn the game.
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So when you get bigger and stronger, you can apply that, and when you start applying it, you're head and shoulders above other kids.
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You know, and it's not necessarily you're just bigger and stronger.
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It's like you know what you're doing and it makes a big difference for everyone involved and then you get more opportunities because of that.
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I've noticed that when that happens you know being a high school coach when you get kids in that are freshmen, a lot of times they, you know, they, they might have some, some decent skills, but they don't understand the game itself.
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And that's kind of what you're talking about, right?
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Yeah, it is it, it happens.
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It happens when you're young and you're you don't don't know how strong you are, but once you, once you start getting bigger, you start realizing that if you know what's going on, you can apply that.
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You know, um, I, my, my one son, my 10 year old, he has size nine shoes.
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That's huge for 10.
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And my 13 year old has size 12s and you're like that's huge.
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But my point is, they're not the fastest, but they know how to run the bases.
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You know it's like you're not the quickest, but you know how to make a move when you're playing wide receiver.
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All those things kind of come into play knowing the game, whatever you're doing, and then once you hit that spot, then you can start applying it.
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Just knowing what's going on and being able to get bigger and stronger, that's huge.
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So when you coached the older travel group.
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If a parent is out there saying all right, my kid's done the community baseball and he's 14, now I'm going to put him into travel.
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What do you recommend there?
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Do you think that they should just get on just any travel team, or just go to as many tryouts as you can and see where you work out?
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Well, I will tell you like okay, my older son played on a.
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He guest played for a travel team this weekend.
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He hit number 11.
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He normally hits two, three.
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He normally plays short, something like that pitch.
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He played second.
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He played left, played a little short as long as your son or daughter are able to do those kind of things and then they kind of let it play out.
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They'll be all right.
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But if your thought is, I want him to come in and be the shortstop or the center fielder, I probably want to find a team where he can be the main person on the team.
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I want to go all out for the top level team.
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I'd also look and see a lot of times honestly, at this age and I try not to coach and I am and my son's playing short a lot.
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That happens a lot.
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You know most of the parents are coaches and most of the kids play short and they come in and pitch and they do all the things.
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And it's because you're sitting at home with your son and you're eating dinner and you trust them and so you're going to trust your son to make the play or you know to throw strikes.
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But hopefully they get older 14, 15 years old when they're playing 60, 90, they don't have parents coaching anymore and then you can kind of let them see okay, where do they, where's it fall?
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You know.
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Well, let me ask you this when you were coaching the 18U team that you coached, how did you approach the game itself?
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Because it seemed like, from my experience from being around you, you were teaching them the game there and they were playing it more like a game rather than just, hey, everybody just gets up there and everybody just keeps swinging and you know, like you were teaching the bunting and the little things, that got you guys a lot more wins.
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Well, not only that, it's crazy because a lot of schools will say colleges will say we will say we want to see this kid hit, we want to see this kid do this.
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But a lot of the scouting and that's kind of like my focus when I was coaching them was I want to put them in places where they can be, successful.
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Having a guy on second with no outs.
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He's either going to hit the ball the batter's going to hit the ball to the right side or he's going to bunt.
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He's going to move him over to third.
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That's going to enable my next batter to look good, because all he has to do is hit the ball and he gets his RBI.
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He's going to come out of his shoes and a guy at third is going to tag.
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He's going to score.
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People want to see they know the game.
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So, like those kind of things are a lot more important than people realize.
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What's crazy is how few of coaches know the game.
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It's funny that we talk about this because one of the major things I'm dealing with is at 10, 11, 12, 13 years old, is umpires know the game.
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That's the hardest thing for me to deal with, Because I'll talk about a balk.
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I'll talk about runner interference.
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I'll talk about.
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You know, leading too early Crazy things that I think that they should understand.
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You know, leaving too early Do crazy things that I think that they should understand.
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You know, because when I coached high school and college, I always said I'm here, I'm here to play the game.
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Our guys are here because they've worked hard.
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We expect you, the umpire, to give us everything you got too.
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And at first the umpires were like well, don't talk to me like that, right?
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But after a while they realized, oh man, he just loves the game.
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He's just passionate about the game and he knows his kids are working as hard as they possibly can too.
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Unfortunately, the age group travel baseball umpires.
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They aren't there, you know.
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They're there because they can't find umpires to do these games and they kind of just basically pick whoever they can.
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It's been hard for me.
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I still will tell you, I've never been thrown out of a game.
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This fall, believe it or not, 20-some years, this fall was the first time that I was actually ever told to go in the dugout.
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Really, wow, yeah, and and honestly it was because is because the um we had a kid get hit by a pitch and he knew the bat, he knew the pitcher and he smiled at him and he was, like you know, fake, like what's up, right?
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The umpire started yelling at him, telling him to go to first, and he didn't leave him alone.
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He just kept yelling, and yelling, and yelling and I said listen, I got him and he goes.
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No, I'm gonna take care I go.
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No, let me take care of the player.
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And then you know, you umpire the game I was like I'll take care of it.
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Well, he didn't like me saying that, so he goes, you can just go to dugout.
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So I was like, okay, you know, whatever, I wasn't causing any issues with it, but just part of the game.
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I mean, I, you can't say anything because they're so, they're so quick to make a trigger right, and then that's kind of it's the way the society is now.
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But it kind of hurts because you can't really teach the game, because a lot of times they'll say a wrong call and it's completely wrong, but you got to go with it and then you just got to pull the kids over afterwards and say that's not the right call.
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Let me tell you what should have happened, right, and that's kind of the way I've been.
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Like you said, I'm coaching a game.
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I'm not just coaching a win, I'm actually coaching the game, which is a big difference, right, and that's ultimately what's going to make the players better now in your, your travel experience.
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What are some things that you've seen so far that it just you shake your head and go, oh my, my goodness, I can't believe this.
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I mean, I'm sure there's all those nightmare stories of yeah, there there are unbelievable stories.
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Um, like I said, there's guys that coach the win, um, and they don't understand.
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You just play the game the right way and you'll win.
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You'll win.
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That's just the way it works, right?
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You just, you don't get too emotional, you don't get too up and down, you play the game.
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But there are some guys that literally play to win.
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There's guys that are on third base clapping their coaches, clapping their hands, yelling at the pitcher oh, I'm just talking to my batter, no, you're not, that's fine.
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And then you know, I have guys.
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I'll have guys that, um, they'll pitch a kid, or their, their kid, they'll pitch him, 126 pitches a game.
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And you're like dude, you're nine, what are you doing?
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Like it, like it's okay, just take them out.
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But it's when it all costs, you know, because you need a lot of those guys, need that lead.
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Uh, ring, you get at the end of the game or end of the tournament to show that you're worth something.
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I don't know, maybe they get money, but I don't get any money to coach.
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So maybe they're making money and I don't know about it, but but I don't know it, just it's crazy and I will tell you after 13,.
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You know it kind of falls off, you don't get as many parents.
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And maybe I think some of the parents say, all right, they've passed me and they let other people take over.
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So I think if I were 14 or so 14, you, I'd start to look for actual coaches that coach the game.
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Yeah, that's what I would say mostly.
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Now have you taught your sons to play more than one position?
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Oh yeah, oh yeah.
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My goal is always to be able to.
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If you teach them to play shortstop or second base, teach them to play center field so they know to throw through the shortstop to go to third and they know where the shortstop should be to receive the throw.
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So you're playing catcher, you know where third baseman should be, you should know all the positions.
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If you know all the positions you can run the game.
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I think it's so important.
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Like I said, you don't just play third base, you're the third base man, so you know what entails with the third base.
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You know First base.
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I always hear people tell me first base is overrated.
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I think that is the most underrated spot.
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You know because if you know how to play the game, you know when to come off the bag, you know when to stretch, when to go for the ball in the dirt.
00:22:18.105 --> 00:22:23.150
You know all kinds of things and you need to be able to know that if you play in our position.
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Because if I'm playing third and I throw it across the diamond, I know one time I might just have you know a backhanded play and just throw it willy-nilly as fast as I can across the diamond.
00:22:34.615 --> 00:22:37.869
And if I one-hop the first baseman, I know he's going to go for it Right.
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But then sometimes if I eat it, I know he would come off the bag anyways because it would be a bad throw.
00:22:44.403 --> 00:22:52.107
So just knowing the game, like I said, knowing the game is invaluable, knowing how to play the game, whatever it is.
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I mean I watch my kids play on on switch.
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They know all the different moves with all the different fingers and all the different stuff.
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You know I can't do that.
00:23:02.813 --> 00:23:09.186
I don't know when to hit X, I don't know in X, y or they, they have these like side views.
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I don't know any of that stuff.
00:23:10.285 --> 00:23:10.681
But how?
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Or they have these like side views, I don't know any of that stuff.
00:23:12.163 --> 00:23:15.833
But how great is that that they can do those kind of things and they know the game.
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You know what, if you did that when you played a sport, you know, if you knew how to play baseball that way, think about how far advanced you'd be.
00:23:25.472 --> 00:23:30.451
You know, then you get away with not being as athletic as the next guy.
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Then you get away with not being as athletic as the next guy.
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Yeah, and you know, I always liked the guys that played multiple positions, because when you get to high school, the high school coach might have a stud shortstop and you know he needs a guy in the outfield and you want to be the backup shortstop or a starter in the outfield.
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You know what I mean.
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I always tell people that I'm like, when you go to college, we'd bring in seven shortstops, guarantee they would not be playing shortstop.
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All of them would not be playing shortstop, but you're probably going to find a place for them to play, right, you know, because they're going to be your best players and that's kind of the way it goes, because they're going to be your best players, and that's kind of the way it goes.
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The guys that are on the travel teams always think that their son is going to play shortstop at this high school or that high school.
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Well, then they go to the high school and they find out, like you said, there's three other guys that are just as good, if not better, and sometimes they're a year older, two years older, and they have more experience and they're stronger.
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So you just need to find a place to get on the field.
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Go ahead.
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I just can't tell you enough how important it is just to learn Learn the sports, learn the game.
00:24:50.827 --> 00:25:03.213
We talk about school work at home and if our sons aren't successful in a class, we're like well, how much you prepare how much?
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How many times did you do that math example to understand what was going to happen when you took the test, and that's kind of like the way we approach athletics, you know, are you practicing Well?
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You're not practicing Well, then the heck, are you?
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